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JuiceBox Lithium Iron Phosphate Lineup Questions and Answers

What is Lithium Iron Phosphate?

Lithium Iron Phosphate, also referred as LFP (Lithium Ferris Phosphate), is part of the Lithium Ion family. It uses LiFePO4 as its cathode material. This material is much safer, and allows for optimal power density compared to other forms of Lithium Ion.

Charging Lithium Iron Phosphate?

No special charging equipment or maintenance equipment is required to use this product. We have fully engineered complete compatibility with current lead acid chargers in the market. To prevent damage to the battery cells and the cell balancing controllers we request to have an externally regulated or fixed charge voltage alternator under 14.8v.

Is it for Sale?

As of December 5th, 2014 we have begun taking pre-orders on our Lithium Iron Phosphate Batteries, min order is 500wh (0.5kwh), and are made to suit customers needs.

Customer Needs, what does this mean, Options?

All orders will be custom tailored for the consumer, Color choice, Voltage/Capacity, Physical dimensions, and Terminal Preference are picked by the customer.


What about my Underhood/Stock location battery would it be okay to connect it to an AGM battery?

Yes it will, your AGM battery has a resting voltage of 12.8v where our lithium is 13.2v this will cause the Lithium battery to discharge slightly, meanwhile topping off the AGM battery. All that will occur is their will be a small boost up period once you start your vehicle. This will take 30-60 seconds to allow the battery to charge up to its full capacity and provide full functionality.

Voltage/Capacitance Configuration?
As orders are custom built to meet customers needs we offer several voltage options. We can supply 6v,12v,16v, or 18v configurations. Our minimum order is 500wh or 0.5kwh, this equates to 6v/80AH, 12v/40AH, 16v/31.5AH, 18v/27AH. Additional capacitance can be added. Cost is linear, price determined by Kwh.

Color Choices?
We have over 20 different color choices to choose from, all are High Gloss Reflective Acrylic. Great for Show vehicles or a center piece for your install. Simply send us a color you would like and we will do our best to match it.

Terminal Options?
We will offer several terminal options, from Brass Top Posts, Built in Buss Bars, Direct leads, etc. We can meet almost any and all requirements.

How to order?
As each order is unique, there will be require conversations, back and forth until completion. This will take place once we receive payment. Payment at this time can be made over the phone, or via Paypal.


You can reach me at 1 (586) 879-6085 (Office), 1 (586) 883-2991 (Cell) or email: [email protected]
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Will there be any negative affects from adding 2 separate sizes together, like a .5 kwh and a 1kwh?
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What it's the weight of them compared to agm batteries?
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Will there be any negative affects from adding 2 separate sizes together, like a .5 kwh and a 1kwh?
No, I can build a single 1.5kwh pack, 3 - .5kwh packs or a combination of anywhere in between, just like AGM batteries adding additional batteries will allow for more power density and capacitance. They will work together, as voltages will be identical it will be just adding capacity and increasing your max power limits.

Each 0.5kwh unit is roughly 30lbs. As customers can chose what terminal they would like, this will cause fluctuation in weight.
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Whats the rough price per 0.5kwh?
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Working on that write up as we speak. To briefly address price and warranty here is the following.

For Pre Orders, price is $1200 per 0.5kwh (ex. 12v/40AH). We will be offering the first 20 units for $995 shipped.

Warranty will be 3 Year Transferable Free Replacement. The first 5 customers will receive a 5 Year Warranty instead.
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JuiceBox Lithium Iron Phosphate Lineup Questions and Answers

Charging Lithium Iron Phosphate?

No special charging equipment or maintenance equipment is required to use this product. We have fully engineered complete compatibility with current lead acid chargers in the market. To prevent damage to the battery cells and the cell balancing controllers we request to have an externally regulated or fixed charge voltage alternator under 14.8v.
I've always been curious on this aspect as when doing research, I rarely come across the usage of being charged via an alternator.
And when looking at how they are to be charged separately, I do have some questions.

Typical overvolt shut off is 15.2v.
Typical undervolt shut off is 8-10v(depending on cell used)

Typical charging voltage is- 14.6v.

Now, this is where i need some assurance here-

My particular vehicle only charges at 13.8v.

From doing research, with keeping a low C rate at that voltage (below 1C), my alternator could theoretically charge the bank back up to 75-80% Capacity.

Does this sound correct to you?
This is of course without using a DC DC Converter.

Another question-
This cell technology is expected to be charged using a CC/CV method.


I have read somewhere, i do not know the validity of it that if the cell bank is low and needs charging, if the charging source(lets say alternator) is not powerful enough to engage in a bulk charge method but rather sustains a constant voltage at low current WHILE charging at a low voltage(i do not know what indicates low voltage...) that it could damage the cells from improper charging. Damage meaning kill them.

Any idea on the context of this happening?

And an easy question i hope-

Recharge rate-
40ah is small capacity for continuous use so for 12v, i'm sure recharge rate is fast? Even on stock alternator?

I'm curious what the recharge rate is when the load exceeds the alternator and the battery is physically drained down to about 20% SoC?

Let's say we had 200A on tap..

What is the highest C rate of charge allowed for 1 12v 40ah battery?
And.. is there a way to estimate how quick it would recharge to it's highest SoC based on charge voltage and current charging if sustained?
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Great questions. I'm on my phone at the moment but will do my best to briefly address your questions and I'll come back on later with more indepth technical aspect of it later.

For full charge question. Full charge is reached at 14.4v, if you only charge to 13.8v you will be around 85% state of charge. Which is actually a positive when referred to longevity. The closer to the middle 50% the more life cycles the battery will be able to perform. Extending the life of the battery. This also applies for low voltage. As most amplifers will protect before 9.5v you should never see a lower voltage unless it's configuration allows it (aka standalone). This will prevent from using the lower end of the spectrum.

They are designed and rated to take pulse charges up to 1000amps and 400amps continuous. Smaller chargers and charging will not cause damage to the battery, simply will take longer to charge back up.

Think I was able to answer your questions. Again if I missed anything or want a more advanced explanation, I'll be glad to answer later once I'm back on.
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Yes this basically answered them all.

I'm just curious if you by any chance know of any formulas that i can use to estimate charge time for these based on either constant current or voltage?
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I think i found the answer..

I'm seeing consistent results of the following-

Assuming a complete discharge, charging at 1C will take 1.5hrs.

So, charging at 2C to 50% of it's rated capacity should be roughly 23minutes.
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