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What test tone should i use?

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#1 ·
I just got my replacement AP30001D and want to tune it properly. I have a guide i found to tune it, i just want to know what test tone i should use, and where i would get it from? From reading this, i think i should go with -3db.

Here is the guide i found, let me know if it's not a good thing to go by.


Outline:
Setting up an amplifier can be a very confusing and intimidating process for newbies. I created this to help guide those people through the process in what I consider to be a simple and easy way.

Preparation:
Things you should do and will need:


1) Read the owner’s manual(s)
2) Familiarize yourself with your equipment
3) Determine the final load of your speaker(s)/sub(s)
4) A calculator
5) A digital multimeter
6) A test tone CD
7) A print-out of this guide
8) A pen or pencil
9) A notepad



Note: All tests should be done with the engine running while using the calculation methods, at least for the part where you’re measuring.

Step 1: Setting up your head unit


1) Turn off all filters (low-pass and high-pass)
2) Set your EQ settings to 0 (i.e. Bass, Treble, Mid)
3) Turn off loudness
4) If you won’t be using the head unit’s internal amp, turn it off (if possible)






Step 2: Choosing the test tones you’ll use

Tones can be found here: http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=164136

I’ve provided 4 different sets of tones and I’ll give a brief description of why one would use that particular set of tones.

0 dB:

  • Pros – No chance of clipping, very small chance of damaging equipment
    Cons – Most music won’t reach 0 dB unless you’re running full range speakers, so you probably won’t get full performance

-3 dB:

  • Pros – Small chance of clipping with music in subs, small chance of damaging equipment, better performance than 0 dB
    Cons – Small amount of clipping on peaks with some music (speakers)

-6 dB:

  • Pros – Better performance than -3 dB and 0 dB
    Cons – User must be able to detect stress in equipment to prevent damage, moderate amount of clipping with some music (speakers), small amount of clipping with some music (subs)

-10 dB:

  • Not recommended for amateurs

As implied in the above descriptions, the choice of music you listen to may influence the tones you use as well. With pretty much all genres, I found that the mids had peaks above -1 dB, so I wouldn’t recommend that newbies use anything higher than -3 dB for setting the speaker amplifier. However, bass (20 Hz - 80 Hz), is a completely different story. I’ve analyzed a few dozen different songs from a variety of genres with Adobe Audition and here are some briefs descriptions.

Rap/Hip-Hop/Pop – Most of the songs in these genres had peaks in the -9 dB to -3 dB range. I recommend using 0 dB or -3 dB tones if you primarily listen to these genres.

Rock/Metal/Jazz/Classical – Most of the songs in this genre had peaks in the -12 to -6 dB range. I recommend using 0 dB, -3 dB, or -6 dB tones if you primarily listen to these genres.

After choosing the tones, download them and burn them to a CD.

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Step 3: Setting up your speakers

If using dedicated speaker amplifier:

Method 1: By ear


  • 1) Turn the gain/sensitivity all the way down (counter-clockwise)
    2) Turn head unit on
    3) Insert music you’re familiar with
    4) Turn volume up to maximum volume you will normally use or 80% of maximum volume
    5) Turn the gain up until you reach the desired volume or you notice audible distortion
    6) Turn the volume down
    7) Turn the high-pass filter on. If your HU and amp both have HPFs, use the one with the most flexibility (continuously variable > selectable > fixed) (if your head unit and amplifier have no HPF, disregard this and the following)
    8) Turn the HPF up to the highest frequency
    9) Insert a bass heavy track and set to repeat
    10) Turn the volume up to the volume written in Step 9
    11) Turn down the HPF frequency until you begin to notice audible distortion
    12) Use the lowest frequency with no audible distortion
    13) Turn the volume down to 0 and turn off the head unit

Method 2: Calculation

  • 1) Open your owner’s manuals and find the RMS power output of your amplifier and the rated RMS input of your speakers. Write down both and use the lower of the two in the next step.
    2) Calculate the desired voltage using the formula: Voltage = SQRT(Power*Resistance)
    3) Write down the desired voltage
    4) Turn the gain/sensitivity all the way down (counter-clockwise)
    5) Unhook all speakers from the amplifier (unhook at the amplifier, not at the speakers)
    6) Insert leads of multimeter into one of the channels and tighten slightly
    7) Set multimeter to measure AC voltage
    8) Turn head unit on
    9) Insert test tone CD
    10) Set track to 1000 Hz and set to repeat
    11) Turn volume up to maximum volume you will normally use or 80% of maximum volume
    12) Write down the volume
    13) Slowly turn the gain up until you reach the desired voltage
    14) Turn the volume down to 0 and turn off head unit
    15) Remove multimeter leads from the amplifier
    16) Hook speakers back up to the amplifier
    17) Turn head unit on (if your head unit and amplifier have no HPF, disregard this and the following)
    18) Turn the high-pass filter on. If your HU and amp both have HPFs, use the one with the most flexibility (continuously variable > selectable > fixed)
    19) Turn the HPF up to the highest frequency
    20) Insert a bass heavy track and set to repeat track
    21) Turn the volume up to the volume written in Step 12
    22) Turn down the HPF frequency until you begin to notice audible distortion
    23) Use the lowest frequency with no audible distortion
    24) Turn the volume down to 0 and turn off the head unit
    25) In the future, do not exceed the volume written in Step 12



Step 4: Setting up the subwoofer(s)

Setting the gain/input sensitivity:

  • 1) Open your owner’s manuals and find the RMS power output of your amplifier and the rated RMS input of your speakers. Write down both and use the lower of the two in the next step.
    2) Calculate the desired voltage using the formula: Voltage = SQRT(Power*Resistance)
    3) Write down the Sub Voltage
    4) Turn the gain/sensitivity all the way down (counter-clockwise)
    5) Unhook all subwoofers from the amplifier (unhook at the amplifier)
    6) Insert leads of multimeter into one of the channels you’ll be using (if you’re bridging the amplifier, use the terminals you’ll be using)
    7) Set multimeter to measure AC voltage
    8) Unhook the speakers from the speaker amplifier or turn off the amplifier’s internal amplifier
    9) Turn head unit on
    10) Insert test tone CD
    11) Set track to 60 Hz and set to repeat track
    12) Set to the volume written down in the speaker setting stage
    13) Slowly turn the gain up until you obtain the desired voltage
    14) Turn the volume down to 0

Setting the subsonic filter (if available):

  • 1) Determine the tuning frequency of your enclosure (if using a sealed enclosure, turn SSF off or to minimum frequency)
    2) Calculate the desired SSF frequency by using the formula: SSF = Tuning*3/4
    3) If number is not whole, round to the nearest integer
    4) Write the SSF frequency down
    5) Calculate the desired SSF voltage by using the formula: SSF_Voltage = 0.707*Sub_Voltage
    6) Write the SSF voltage down
    7) Turn the SSF to the maximum frequency
    8) Set track to the SSF frequency and set to repeat track
    9) Set to volume written down in speaker setting stage
    10) Turn down the frequency on the SSF control until you reach the SSF Voltage from step 6
    11) Turn the volume down to 0

Setting the low-pass filter:

  • 1) Turn off the head unit
    2) Unhook the multimeter from the sub amp
    3) Hook up the speakers and sub(s)
    4) Turn the low-pass filter on. If your HU and amp both have LPFs, use the one with the most flexibility (continuously variable > selectable > fixed)
    5) Turn the LPF frequency to the minimum frequency
    6) Insert music you’re familiar with
    7) Turn the volume up to a comfortable level
    8) Turn up the LPF frequency until one of the following is true: the sub stage and speaker stage blend perfectly, you can tell the bass is coming from the rear, or the bass starts sounding weird. If the latter two, use the highest setting before audible anomaly.
    9) Turn volume down to 0 and turn off head unit

Level matching:

Use your head unit controls to attenuate parts that overpower the rest of the system.
 
#2 ·
i used 50 Hz at 0 db when i did my tuning. I dont know much of the others, but that was just what i picked
 
#4 ·
Thanks man, do you know what would be suitable for me to use?


Wow.........

If it took me that much reading to tune my system I'd drop out of car audio...

Sorry I cant help, thats just too much reading for me....

Good luck...
You don't have to read it, man. The question i wanted to know was, "what test tone should i use to tune my system?"

The rest was just if you were feeling froggy, and recommended the tutorial or not.
 
#8 ·
Here's where i found a horseload of test tones...
Realm of Excursion
thats where i downloaded my tones from. Use 50 hz at 0db for general tuning. That should get you fairly close at what you are trying to gain from your amp.
 
#10 ·
ONLY USE A SINEWAVE. If you use anything other than a sinewave, you will destroy your woofers. If you used a squarewave, you are essentially sending your woofers, the largest possible clipped signal. You want to use a sinewave, due to the smooth transistion from a high state to a low state.
 
#12 ·
I had to learn at some point, so why not help others. Whats the max volume of your headunit.
 
#13 ·
when I get my amp back, im using decafs test tone. Search for his music and it should be in there I think? I am almost positive i got it from smd
 
#16 ·
its always been hard for me to tell this to people as well. The issue is at different frequencies the impedance rises differently giving more or less power to the subwoofer then at other frequencies. I have always first found my peak frequency and used that for tuning but I dont think there is a perfect way to account for the rise of impedance at different notes.
 
#18 ·
^^^^ that helps my explaination alot, thanks.
 
#20 ·
(for subs)

I start off with my amp gains @ 0, amp frequency @ 100hz, subsonic @ 20hz, crank it to the max I listen @ playing my normal music, then adjust up the gains, and begin the tweaking by ear(bass boost, freq, subsonic), then run individual test tones @ 0db from 20hz to 150 and make more adjustments and do this a few times, I do this over and over to get all my music to the best I can without compromising too much of any genre.

Best I can explain...
 
#21 ·
the tuning process is a trial and error basis, you do what needs to be done until the best desirable sound is produced (of course, all done by ear)
 
#23 ·
do it tonight, who cares who you wake, bass is the important thing lol
 
#25 ·
Na man. Neighbor is a cop who likes to cut me breaks when he catches me, and he has 3 young kids.

That and me pops isn't exactly a bass head. If i piss him off too much with my subs i'll wake up to them with hammer holes.
that sucks. My neighbors always compete to see whos the loudest. Their house versus my vehicles
 
#26 ·
Ha. We live right in the center of car audio hell.

Our neighbors behind us are wheelchair bound 70+ y/o's.
To my left, there is a nice, quiet 60-70 y/o couple.
To my right, there is an 80+ y/o and her son who seems to be around 50.
Straight in front of me is the pig. And his 3 young devils.

No one in my area gets into car audio. The closest competition i have is a guy with two 15 memphis something or anothers, power by 1300w's of fearce, beastly, uncontainable legacy power. :lol:
 
#27 ·
Ha. We live right in the center of car audio hell.

Our neighbors behind us are wheelchair bound 70+ y/o's.
To my left, there is a nice, quiet 60-70 y/o couple.
To my right, there is an 80+ y/o and her son who seems to be around 50.
Straight in front of me is the pig. And his 3 young devils.

No one in my area gets into car audio. The closest competition i have is a guy with two 15 memphis something or anothers, power by 1300w's of fearce, beastly, uncontainable legacy power. :lol:
i got lots of people around my area that enjoy car audio!!! My house is the best placed for testing as most neighbors are roughly couple thousand feet from my home.
 
#28 ·
oscope would be best

i simply averaged about 50 random songs in my collection came up with -4.6... and my collection is a wee bit louder so i made it -5db.... its at 45hz because an amp should be linear thru alot of frequencies without a load... and it averages the rf360.2 cds test tone (-10/-5db@40hz) and the standard (-3@50hz) two widely used tones

-3db is safe, 0db is for puss a's

u just have to know when to turn it down and what ur subs sound like under stressed conditions
 
#29 ·
howd your tuning go?