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Hello everyone,

I am a brand spanking new member, this is literally my first post. I have always been one of those people that appreciate good clean accurate audio weather at home or car.

I love listening to music of all sorts and lately have been considering 'upgrading' my stock system in my new car.

I have a 2018 Toyota 4Runner with the Premium system but no JBL.

I have a friend here in town that is competing with his car and is well regarded in the community so he knows his stuff. The problem is that everytime he builds a system for me on paper, it comes out to $3000 plus just for the front stage.

THE QUESTION IS...

How can I upgrade my stock radio in my 4Runner in stages? I do not want to throw $3000 right out the bat at an audio system.

I want to spend $1000 now, maybe another $1000 in six months and so on.

I want better audio in my car, I do NOT need the best of the best. I am not going to compete whatsoever.

Any feedback is appreciated.
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Spend your first 1k on a bigger alternator from Mike singer or iraggi etc, big 3 upgrade a xs power battery underhood with the first 1k. Beneficial for almost any system over 1500w rms+ especially in newer vehicles lower voltage can mess with mechanical issues (in my taurus low voltage from someone playing a 1500w+ system can result in low enough voltage to start messing with the HPFP and start messing with how vehicle is actually running).
Also nice if some day if you aquire a taste for a larger than current setup it would be as easy as buying the equipment and batteries then. Was thr first thing I did in my beater and am doing in my Taurus. Mike makes a 390 amp alternator for only 599$ for my car imagine the price would probably be the same for your truck.

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Spend your first 1k on a bigger alternator from Mike singer or iraggi etc, big 3 upgrade a xs power battery underhood with the first 1k. Beneficial for almost any system over 1500w rms+ especially in newer vehicles lower voltage can mess with mechanical issues (in my taurus low voltage from someone playing a 1500w+ system can result in low enough voltage to start messing with the HPFP and start messing with how vehicle is actually running).
Also nice if some day if you aquire a taste for a larger than current setup it would be as easy as buying the equipment and batteries then. Was thr first thing I did in my beater and am doing in my Taurus. Mike makes a 390 amp alternator for only 599$ for my car imagine the price would probably be the same for your truck.

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Again, Im talking about upgrading my sound and you are talking about 1500w+ system.

I guess there might not be a middle ground. Every time I ask I get the same answers.

What if I upgrade my speakers now, then install an amp, then a dsp. Maybe later add a sub... and so on
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Again, Im talking about upgrading my sound and you are talking about 1500w+ system.

I guess there might not be a middle ground. Every time I ask I get the same answers.

What if I upgrade my speakers now, then install an amp, then a dsp. Maybe later add a sub... and so on
Depends what you as an individual wants. I've got an amp for my tweeters, mids and subs. Depends on how much power they start drawing. I thought my mids amp was small compared to competitive level audio Enthusiasts and my 2k taramps 4 channel amp is to much for some stock alts.

You failed to mention how much power you want to your system is it a small upgrade? Head unit upgrade alone at shops can cost up to 1k+ so your 3k limit in reality is extremely limited imo. Again it vastly depends what you want in the end If you want just a little extra sound just upgrade your stock door speakers with some neo speakers and small 4 channel amp and take it to a shop to have a aftermarket amp wired up to the oem radio though shops like to gouge customers on stuff like that.
I thought a 1500w system was on the lower power side but to each their own lol

All I really was stressing too is newer vehicles can be sensitive to their voltage needs keep that in mind if you won't be upgrading your alternator! Will definitely limit your choices.

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buy sounddeadener and deaden the area where your speakers are placed. you can also buy stinger fast rings to help focus sound coming from your speakers and upgrade your head unit. those should help get the most out of your stock setup and will benefit you when you upgrade to better speakers
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Again, Im talking about upgrading my sound and you are talking about 1500w+ system.

I guess there might not be a middle ground. Every time I ask I get the same answers.

What if I upgrade my speakers now, then install an amp, then a dsp. Maybe later add a sub... and so on

Personally, swapping just the speakers will not make much noticeable difference on factory power. If you install aftermarket speakers, they need a dedicated amp with headroom, to perform.

You will hear a difference with, front speakers, amplifier (and a DSP if you are integrating into your OEM head unit), but just speakers, I wouldn't bother. Hopefully you can keep your OEM sub running during this time (assuming that vehicle has one), as the front speakers likely won't have much bass with the crossover setup.

$1000 should net you some decent front speakers and an amplifier / wiring. Generally you want the sound stage to come from the front, so the front stage is the priority. You're not competing / need the most expensive / esoteric gear ever made (even then you would not need the most expensive rare gear ever made). Stick to well known brands that make reasonable quality stuff, even mainstream brands (not limited to, but JL Audio, Rockford Fosgate, MTX, etc., etc., make decent stuff and comes down to setup properly, lots of decent brands to chose from). Although, the DSP may add extra cost unless you find a "used" one for a bargain, so this might take you slightly over the 1000 mark depending on what you get, hard to say. Seems the JL Cleansweep and Rockford 3Sixty are decent.

To me, this is where you just save up for a couple months, so you can buy enough stuff to at least do the entire front stage.

Then after another few months, do the entire sub stage.

Ultimately it comes down to what you have the money to upgrade at a given time; if you simply can't add an amp at this time, then you can't.

Swapping just the speakers will be fine, and is something you can do to get the ball rolling, just don't expect much improvement over the stock speakers until you get them on dedicated amplifier(s) with a lot of headroom, then they will come to life (decent aftermarket speakers really are not intended to run on a vehicles factory head unit / factory amp power).

Also remember you can get "used" gear much cheaper and could get a lot more installed for that $1000, but some do not like used stuff.

At any rate, good luck with your setup, hope it turns out how you want it.

Just my random thoughts on it.
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Personally, swapping just the speakers will not make much noticeable difference on factory power. If you install aftermarket speakers, they need a dedicated amp with headroom, to perform.

You will hear a difference with, front speakers, amplifier (and a DSP if you are integrating into your OEM head unit), but just speakers, I wouldn't bother. Hopefully you can keep your OEM sub running during this time (assuming that vehicle has one), as the front speakers likely won't have much bass with the crossover setup.

$1000 should net you some decent front speakers and an amplifier / wiring. Generally you want the sound stage to come from the front, so the front stage is the priority. You're not competing / need the most expensive / esoteric gear ever made (even then you would not need the most expensive rare gear ever made). Stick to well known brands that make reasonable quality stuff, even mainstream brands (not limited to, but JL Audio, Rockford Fosgate, MTX, etc., etc., make decent stuff and comes down to setup properly, lots of decent brands to chose from). Although, the DSP may add extra cost unless you find a "used" one for a bargain, so this might take you slightly over the 1000 mark depending on what you get, hard to say. Seems the JL Cleansweep and Rockford 3Sixty are decent.

To me, this is where you just save up for a couple months, so you can buy enough stuff to at least do the entire front stage.

Then after another few months, do the entire sub stage.

Ultimately it comes down to what you have the money to upgrade at a given time; if you simply can't add an amp at this time, then you can't.

Swapping just the speakers will be fine, and is something you can do to get the ball rolling, just don't expect much improvement over the stock speakers until you get them on dedicated amplifier(s) with a lot of headroom, then they will come to life (decent aftermarket speakers really are not intended to run on a vehicles factory head unit / factory amp power).

Also remember you can get "used" gear much cheaper and could get a lot more installed for that $1000, but some do not like used stuff.

At any rate, good luck with your setup, hope it turns out how you want it.

Just my random thoughts on it.
Thank you very much for your time and comments. I think what you saying is true. I have been told that the front stage is a priority so I want to spend money wisely.

For speakers, I am leaning towards Audible Physics. The distributor is local and I have heard good things about them. Your thoughts?

As for the amp, I am still looking. I think for DSP, Helix is the best and is priced accordingly.

Last but not least, integrating my headunit is a pita. How do I get a clean signal to feed the amp??
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Make sure you look at the speaker rms before you purchase them. They may not be compatible with whatever you use to power them.
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Thank you very much for your time and comments. I think what you saying is true. I have been told that the front stage is a priority so I want to spend money wisely.

For speakers, I am leaning towards Audible Physics. The distributor is local and I have heard good things about them. Your thoughts?

As for the amp, I am still looking. I think for DSP, Helix is the best and is priced accordingly.

Last but not least, integrating my headunit is a pita. How do I get a clean signal to feed the amp??

As far as I remember (you'd have to look them up for specific application), the JL Audio Cleansweep and Rockford Fosgate 3Sixty integrate your OEM head unit, to line level wiht processing. I also believe they offered some decent DSP options, again, you would have to research this.

I have no experience with those speakers, in fact I've never even heard of them. I'd put those in the esoteric brands that aren't necessarily needed for great music reproduction, but they should work just fine if setup properly, so if you want to try them out, go for it. They look like decent speakers aside from having never used them, although their website is not very good for specifications.


That said, just make sure you get an amp that has plenty of power to spare.

I'll admit I don't understand jmpbama92's post. Doesn't so much matter what the speakers rated wattage is, as you want to power them with an amp that has plenty of headroom to keep the signal clean; and you won't be running the amp full tilt. You don't want an amp the same wattage (or lower) as the speakers / subs, as you will run into clipping / distortion from the amplifier, which is very bad for sound quality, and can be bad for the speakers.
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