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Old 07-21-2010, 07:40 PM
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Just noticed Subtilis audio and Hand Built Enclosures are gone... Not sure if this is a repost but curious to know what happans if we sent money for pre-order on subs? Should we do a paypal claim or what? Says he was banned for scammer/fraud...
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Thats actually a good question about the presale on the vvx's. He was banned for, as far as we know, about posting wroks HE claimed to make and was proven more towards not then he did. I asked Patrick to release any TRUE information to the public but I doubt that will happen.
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I know alot of people got in on the pre-order.. I know jacob built them for him hopefully jacob can chime in as well a bit.
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I don't wanna get into it about but I'll say the sub thing is real.

Here's a thread that talks about him a lil.
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I think its mainly because of the enclosure business he tried starting. I have ordered wire from him plenty of times and got what i ordered. I actually just got some today from him. Just hopefully he dont pull nothing on the sub situation
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I know he had/has a reputable business going with the wire and stuff, he should have just taken the bullet and admitted that yes he took others products and claimed them as his own. Could've still offered boxes but would need to build awesome boxes and for next to nothing to prove he knows what he's doing.
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I just got my box from him today... Looks great and is a quality build. And couldnt beat the price...









I dont think he handled the stolen picture thing properly (shouldnt have done it in the first place, watched his employees better, or admitted he was wrong and built his own rep) but cant complain about my transaction with him. Got the box as promised and excellent communication with him during the process.
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If it's about the sub enclosures, then all you can really do is man up and say you did. You look bad doing it, but worse not admitting (if that's the case).

A buddy of mine was sponsored by this one shop and they claimed body kit fitment was perfect such and such when clearly there were gaps and whatnot. They went on to blame him for slamming the car to the ground with his air suspension when the bumper never even touched the ground. They continuously deleted posts, threads, etc. Till this day they haven't admitted to it. Had they done that, they could have kept their credibility.

In the end, if a business wants to move forward, best thing to do is just speak the truth. Hope all goes well because I've heard nothing but great things (aside the enclosure discussions) about Subtilis Audio and Kevin.
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ami has a good thread about him on CA.com
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