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Default Time Alignment, without processors?

Hypothetical: I'm currently planning a high-end, but simple system comprising of either the McIntosh 406 HU or Clarion DRZ9255 (which includes TA), and using a high-end coaxial speakers along the lines of HAT Imagine, DLS MX26 or Reference R1073, Morel Hybrid Ovation 6.

If I went for the Mac, I realize there isn't and time alignment L/R. Would the only way to control time alignment of the front speakers be to use the phase control on the amp?

As for the Clarion, As I understand it, the outputs and TA is for highs, mids and bass only. How would I configure this to a pair of Coaxials, most of which have an off-board crossovers anyway?

I'm only really looking for time alignment with the two fronts and the sub, and all without an off-board TA unit (in the case of the McIntosh). Again would phase control be the only way to control this?
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You could also use the polarity to get close. It's not 100% but it gets closer than nothing at all. Isaca has some test tracks to see if your acoustical alignment is on phase or not. Just because a speaker says -and+ doesn't mean it has to be that way.
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I just thought about that today. I don't know if I want to compete, but I have a system in mind. its not so much the best money can buy, just a theory.

But is there anything else i can do. twisted of straight cables, have one 1m cable, and another 300m cable lol. I guess i want to do everything i can to avoid buying a processor.
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The other thing is; do processors take away anything from the headunit? My fantasy is to have a high quality HU the likes of the Clarion or McIntosh, but will adding something like the Audison Bit and fiddling about actually take away the purity and performance of the Mac or clarion?
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It won't do anything even close to what a producer will do mastering the disk
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You could also use the polarity to get close. It's not 100% but it gets closer than nothing at all. Isaca has some test tracks to see if your acoustical alignment is on phase or not. Just because a speaker says -and+ doesn't mean it has to be that way.
Placing a speaker electrically out of phase by swapping polarity of the wires primarily affects the sound at and around the crossover frequency. Time delay affects all frequencies by introducing a small adjustable phase shift at the source of the delay. You're mixing up acoustical phase and electrical phase. The IASCA phase test track is for verifying mechanical phase.
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If someone could engineer a simple circuit to add delay to one side, they'd be my friggin hero. There has to be a way to do this simply and inexpensively.

But until then... You're shit out of luck. Mosconi and Zapco make amps with built in DSP's. or do you have your amps picked out already?
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The Kenwood X997 has independent TA for all 6 channels. Not sure if that would help.
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If someone could engineer a simple circuit to add delay to one side, they'd be my friggin hero. There has to be a way to do this simply and inexpensively.

But until then... You're shit out of luck. Mosconi and Zapco make amps with built in DSP's. or do you have your amps picked out already?
I had a few ideas, but I'm just here to get some more insight. Just don't want to go heavily into the processor route. If I have to change a few settings here and there fine, but i don't want to get into the Audison Bit One scene at all.
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Phase on amps is not time alignment.

Unless someone could maybe somehow use a conductor that dramatically affected the speed at which the electricity flows then you are pretty much only left with using a dsp.
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