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Default Good placement ideas for 4x vifa 50w rms silk dome tweets?

I want to either put one in each vent or put 1 in each c pillar pointed towards the front and one in each a-pillar (where stock tweeter is, but with a pod pointed towards the opposite side of the vehicle (passenger a-pillar towards driver side b pillar, etc)

Any other suggestions?

The vent placements are not permanent and I will be using FRP to mount them inside so I can take them out whenever I want.

My thoughts for powering them would be 2 on each channel, bridged, from a xm-6020 (I think that giving them their full rms will be a little too harsh, even for the 18" I am putting in)

They will be crossed at 4k
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1.Front stage should always come from in front of you... so C pillar pointing forward would not be a good idea.

2. 2 kinds of correct tweeter alignment, on-axis or off-axis. From your "pod" description, sound like you are trying to go for an on-axis setup. Both pods would ideally be pointed at the drivers headrest, giving a good on-axis alignment, and then time delay would be used to delay the drivers side so the sound would reach the headrest at the same time. This makes it a little less optimal for passengers in the vehicle, as they are all in off-axis positions and the delay may be noticeable. If no time delay is available in your headunit, the compromise is to align (point) them at the center of the vehicle between the 2 front seats. Technically this is now an off-axis setup, but still will give good results (even pointing at the drivers headrest, with no time delay, will give exceptable results.
Otherwise, off-axis is the way to go. Basically pointed straight across the vehicle. I find that the higher the better in this configuration. Pillars almost always sound better then low on the doors.

3. I personally haven't heard many silk dome tweeters that sound "harsh". Running them at full RMS shouldnt be a problem. But it is much easier to over power and distort silk domes, rather than aluminum dome or bullet (horn) tweeters.

I would run both sets on the a-pillar, pointed at the drivers headrest, if it were my setup. Crossed correctly with the right mids (you never really said if you were pass banding and amping the mids, but I definitely would as this is really shaping up as an active setup), should be plenty to keep up with a single 18".
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In the bottom of the A-pillar aimed at the light by the rear-view mirror. You don't need 4 tweets.
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1.Front stage should always come from in front of you... so C pillar pointing forward would not be a good idea.

2. 2 kinds of correct tweeter alignment, on-axis or off-axis. From your "pod" description, sound like you are trying to go for an on-axis setup. Both pods would ideally be pointed at the drivers headrest, giving a good on-axis alignment, and then time delay would be used to delay the drivers side so the sound would reach the headrest at the same time. This makes it a little less optimal for passengers in the vehicle, as they are all in off-axis positions and the delay may be noticeable. If no time delay is available in your headunit, the compromise is to align (point) them at the center of the vehicle between the 2 front seats. Technically this is now an off-axis setup, but still will give good results (even pointing at the drivers headrest, with no time delay, will give exceptable results.
Otherwise, off-axis is the way to go. Basically pointed straight across the vehicle. I find that the higher the better in this configuration. Pillars almost always sound better then low on the doors.

3. I personally haven't heard many silk dome tweeters that sound "harsh". Running them at full RMS shouldnt be a problem. But it is much easier to over power and distort silk domes, rather than aluminum dome or bullet (horn) tweeters.

I would run both sets on the a-pillar, pointed at the drivers headrest, if it were my setup. Crossed correctly with the right mids (you never really said if you were pass banding and amping the mids, but I definitely would as this is really shaping up as an active setup), should be plenty to keep up with a single 18".
Thank you for the input. Currently on the stock unit, but was considering the 80prs since I was originally just planning to run the tweeters mono (since I really hate when songs put some sounds in only one side, and this always makes me freak out and think something is wrong, lol) and it sounds like to get time alignment to work, I would need to have each tweeter on its own channel, as well as only 2 tweeters per preout set? (2 tweeters for front output rca's on head unit?)

Tweeters and mids are active with an electronic crossover. Tweets at 4k, mids at 80 or 100 (have to check, but i made sure they were protected within range) and the mids are ddc6.5"s (80w rms 4 ohm)

I have an xm-6020, xm-4040 and xm-4045 to choose from if you have any suggestions on what to use and how.
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In the bottom of the A-pillar aimed at the light by the rear-view mirror. .
Lol, what light?

Was honestly going for an "annoying everyone around me" setup, but now I'm leaning towards actually making it sound good.
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Install the tweets in the c pillars and have them on a toggle so when your on acid you can trip The tweets in the c's will give you a head ache as your mind tries to sort things out
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Install the tweets in the c pillars and have them on a toggle so when your on acid you can trip The tweets in the c's will give you a head ache as your mind tries to sort things out

Ok now should I also use the time alignment when I do this? Lol
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Ok now should I also use the time alignment when I do this? Lol

You will also need a pioneer deck with mix tracks a vintage motorola reverb knob and a chemical brothers cd and of course some 4 way window pane
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