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Buyer: Northbeat

Seller: Fatboy2

Link to original FS thread and/or trade agreement thread:
[SOLD] Audiopipe AQX3500.1 - 3.5kw for $330! - Car Audio Classifieds

Original deal details:
He was interested in the amp, and i agreed to pay some of the shipping charge (cause it was going to canada) Agreed on $350, shipped. (based on USPS shipping calc of $40)

Went to ship and it was going to cost ~$80 to ship, i came home PM'd him and told him it'd be more to ship. I told him either i could refund him all the money, or he could send me $30 to help with the high as hell shipping price (usps as he requested)

Ended up costing $65 and change, so i refunded him $15 when i got home. Shipped the amp. I PM'd him telling him it was shipped, and letting him know i refunded him $15. Then around a week and a half later i hadn't heard from him so i PM'd him asking if he'd received the amp. He said know, but he has a delivery notification and he has to go pick it up the following monday.

Description of how the deal went bad:
I'm at work today and get two e-mails from paypal letting me know he's filing a dispute. I've received NO communication from him since my last PM. He hasn't said he didn't receive it, nothing other than that he had a delivery notification.

I was told from a USPS associate they don't provide tracking numbers on international shipments because there are only two scans. But i have the customs form receipt, and the actual payment receipt here at my computer. I'll scan them as soon as i get a little time.

I thought the deal went fine, and i wrote it off as him receiving the item when he said he had notification. I think this is his attempt at scamming my $350.

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Hey hows it going, Im interested in the AQX3500 youve got for sale. Do you still have it?

Its a little high on my budget but it seems good for only the few scratches you mentionned.

Would you be willing to ship it to canada?? How heavy is it?? Shipping might be $$$

Thanks
The quote online is showing me $47.26, through usps. If you do decide you want the amp, i'll half the shipping with you. I can do $350, shipped.
Thats a great deal, if you can guarantee me it works 100% and box it with a little extra padding to ensure a safe trip I will take it!!!

Thanks
It works 100%, and if you've got some way to test it when you first receive it that'd be great.

I'll ship it Monday, and i assure you the packaging will be more than sufficient.

If you're paying via paypal, my paypal address is [email protected].

If you chose to send it as gift, it'll save me ~$10, but the decision is of course yours.
I'll send the money in 2 minutes. wooo! thanks, I finally might have a good substage!!
thanks again
Not a problem! I received the money, and i'll ship this monday.

If there are any problems when you receive the amp, just let me know!
I just noticed what you meant about sending it as a gift, I didnt know paypal took a percentage!! I was just reading a thread about it.

I will send an extra $10 sorry I didnt notice that

And I dont forsee any problems with the amp if its well packed, but I'll be sure to test it the first day I get it. My HDC318's should love it
No need to send any extras. It's a fee charged to the seller by paypal for using their service. No worries.

And i wish i had room for 18's... :(


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Hey man, i went to USPS today to ship the amp. As it turns out, the amp is going to cost $84.19 to ship to Canada. I've got no clue why the price is so high, seeing how i was quoted in the high 40's online.

With the price being so high to ship, i can't take that big of a loss. I can either refund your entire payment (no fees are deducted from you)

OR i'll keep my offer and pay $30 of the shipping, but you'll have to pony up $30 more. (which would be $380 total for the amp)

Again, i want to apologize to you. I've never shipped to Canada before and was relying solely on their online shipping quotes, which were grossly inaccurate. Thank you.
Well since Ive already orderred a custom plexi plate for the bottom of it, I have no choice, but I probably would have anyways. I'll send the extra $30 right now

Thanks again

Amp is shipped, and it turned out to only cost $65.XX. I'll be sending you a $15 refund shortly.

They don't offer tracking numbers when going to Canada, said that there are only two scans. One when it leaves, and one when it arrives?

But it's shipped. I forgot it has to go through customs (it's packaged VERY, VERY well) It's encased it foam, so it may not be in the same box as i sent it when customs gets through with it.
THANKS buddy, appreciate it. Cant wait to test this sucker out, thanks for being honest with the shipping to!! I love that you were fine shipping to canada aswell
Hey man what's up? Just checking in seeing if you got the amp yet or not. I'm not sure how long shipping is to canada, but keep me informed! let me know if theres any issues!
I got a package delivery notification friday so Im pretty sure its sitting at my local post office. Stoked!!

Thanks man

Cool, cool. When ya get it let me know how it made it cross country!
 

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Those are links to the moderator panel, that i don't have access to. I had no clue :/

Can you post up more information, so i can send to paypal to help my case?
 

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Those are links to the moderator panel, that i don't have access to. I had no clue :/

Can you post up more information, so i can send to paypal to help my case?

how tc has links to our admin panel i don't know. anywho, those three members are all the same. matching IP's and all.
 

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how tc has links to our admin panel i don't know. anywho, those three members are all the same. matching IP's and all.
He copied and pasted from sound arounds post in the ban log, which is linked to the admin panel.
 

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More info of his... In case he tries again.

Paypal is ridiculous. They've held up this claim for over two months, even when i provided a copy of the receipt.

Kevin StJohn
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Milton Ontario L9T 0T2
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Fucking unbelievable.

Hello Patrick Reynolds,

After careful consideration of the evidence provided in the case detailed
below, we have completed our investigation and decided in favor of the
buyer. Under terms of our User Agreement, we have debited the following
amount from your PayPal account as a refund to the buyer: $350.00 USD

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Transaction Details
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Buyer's name: Kevin StJohn
Buyer's email: [email protected]
Transaction ID: 50Y270620P507570G

Transaction date: Jan 1, 2011
Transaction amount: $350.00 USD
Your transaction ID: 1YG517062R534322S
Case number: PP-001-209-557-697

Refund amount: $350.00 USD
 

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I called paypal and raised a ton of hell and they told me i was pretty much S.O.L.

I told them i had many, many screen shots and such supporting my claim, and even i message from the guy saying he received my package.

They told me without Northbeat calling them and saying he received the package, than the money automatically goes to him. It's looked at as lost in transit/not shipped. Paypal does absolutely nothing to protect sellers from scams. I'm so pissed right now.

They said all they can do now is look for "consistencies" between his paypal accounts to find that he is breaking their TOS, but if they haven't yet with this many claims filed against him then they aren't going to find it.

Can anyone help me? What can i do about this? I'm strong-armed by paypal.

Who can i call? What can i do?
 

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u can go to paypal HQ and start kicking some ass... other than that i have no idea what u can do
 

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Exact same situation happened to me. I withdrew the cash before they decided against me, so it has a -$250 against me. I just said F it and moved to a new paypal address.
 

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I called paypal and raised a ton of hell and they told me i was pretty much S.O.L.

I told them i had many, many screen shots and such supporting my claim, and even i message from the guy saying he received my package.

They told me without Northbeat calling them and saying he received the package, than the money automatically goes to him. It's looked at as lost in transit/not shipped. Paypal does absolutely nothing to protect sellers from scams. I'm so pissed right now.

They said all they can do now is look for "consistencies" between his paypal accounts to find that he is breaking their TOS, but if they haven't yet with this many claims filed against him then they aren't going to find it.

Can anyone help me? What can i do about this? I'm strong-armed by paypal.

Who can i call? What can i do?
the situation you are in at this point your best option would probably be to call your state police and explain the situation and ask them to point you in the right direction who to deal with.
paypal has been catering to scammers for some time and the fact this person is from outside the US makes it an international legal issue
 

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Exact same situation happened to me. I withdrew the cash before they decided against me, so it has a -$250 against me. I just said F it and moved to a new paypal address.
I thought about it, but my paypal is linked to my bank account and credit cards, etc.

Not to mention i thought i had more than enough proof for them to file in my favor. Turns out they didn't even read/view the files i attached. They just looked at the tracking (which i didn't have because USPS doesn't offer it when shipping to canada - part of this bastards plan)

An extra $350 for car audio isn't easy to come by when you've got a house note, car note, house insurance, etc. (and only 19) , top it off they charged another $20 as like a fee for them to review it. I *****ed enough to get my 20 back though.
 

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the situation you are in at this point your best option would probably be to call your state police and explain the situation and ask them to point you in the right direction who to deal with.
paypal has been catering to scammers for some time and the fact this person is from outside the US makes it an international legal issue

I'll ask my brother what can be done, he's a cop. Doubt he'll know but maybe he can give me someone's number who does know.
 

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Is this something i can take to court, with him being in Canada?

EDIT: Eff court. I'd lose more money missing work than i would from the amp. :/

EDIT EDIT: And i'm especially pissed cause i gave him such a good deal on the friggin thing....
 

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FBI internet crimes division. You have more than enough evidence and since you have an address they can actually arrest him in canada with their governments cooperation. Also explain that paypal assisted with this scam and they'll contact them to explain that this is a federal matter and that the money should be returned and held until they're done with their investigation.
 

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FBI internet crimes division. You have more than enough evidence and since you have an address they can actually arrest him in canada with their governments cooperation. Also explain that paypal assisted with this scam and they'll contact them to explain that this is a federal matter and that the money should be returned and held until they're done with their investigation.

Thank you, filing now.

However i doubt they'll have much interest in someone ripping a few folks off for petty cash. Hopefully this can help a few of us out.
 

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Mod can i please get a PM of his IP address' for all three of his account here?

W_O_T, Vaginatarian, Northbeat, cleannmean.
 

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He confirmed receipt through a PM here. And he's scammed like 6 other people.
 

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